Posted by: Randy Allgaier | April 4, 2009

Is the NRA a Domestic Terrorist Group? Look at the facts!


This article is inspired by the horrific multiple shooting that have occurred in the past few weeks- two incidents in the past two days.   The shootings in the last few weeks have included the fatal shooting of a total of 7 law enforcement officers. They’ve occurred in Oakland CA, Binghamton NY and Pittsburg PA in less than two weeks. 

Let’s look at a timeline of just some of the more horrific events over the last year:
April 2009
5 Pittsburgh Police Officers Shot & 3 Killed when responding to a domestic dispute call
April 2009
13 people were shot dead in a murderous three-minute shooting rampage inside an Binghamton NY civic association building that caters to immigrants, according to federal and state authorities.
March, 2009
Four Oakland, California police officers were shot to death in two separate incidents involving one suspect near the Eastmont police substation Saturday afternoon, law enforcement sources said.
March , 2009
At least 10 people were killed in a shooting spree in southern Alabama.
December 2008
A gunman dressed as Santa Claus kills nine guests at a Christmas Eve party before taking his own life in Covina, a suburb of Los Angeles in California.
July 2008
2 people killed and 7 injured when a gunman opens fire in a Knoxville TN Unitarian Church

A few others in recent years-
December 2007
A gunman kills eight people and wounds five at a shopping mall in Omaha, Nebraska, before killing himself.
April 2007
Cho Seung-hui kills 32 people and wounds many more at the Virginia Tech college in Blacksburg, Virginia, in two separate incidents on the same day. Cho had been diagnosed with a severe anxiety disorder.
October 2006
A gunman shoots five young girls in an Amish school house.
March 2005
Jeff Weise, a student at Red Lake high school in Minnesota kills five students, a teacher, a security guard, and then himself. Before school, he had shot dead his grandfather and grandfather’s companion.

And of course the one that put mass shootings in high schools on the map-
April 1999
Two students at Columbine high school in Littleton, Colorado, kill 12 students and a teacher before killing themselves.

Here is the propaganda rhetoric from the NRA- “Over the last two decades, many “gun control” laws have been eliminated or made less restrictive at the federal, state, and local levels. Numbers of privately-owned guns and Right-to-Carry states have risen to all-time highs. Every step of the way, “gun control” groups predicted violent crime would increase. Instead, violent crime decreased dramatically.”

My response is:  Bull!

In 2007, Bill Marsh from the New York Times wrote that in 2004, the most recent years where there are statistics that 29,569 Americans were killed by fire arms- that is about 81 per day. 64,389 were injured- 176 per day. These statistics come from the CDC- the agency that keeps track of these things.

8 children a day die in murders, suicides and accidents involving guns

Since John F. Kennedy was assinated more Americans have died from gunshot wounds at home than died in all the wars of the 20th century.

Osama bin Laden would need at least nine twin towers like attacks each year to equal what Americans do to themselves every year with guns.

Murder rates in LA, NY and Chicago were approaching the highest in the world (30 per 100,000) until moves were made in late 20th century to restrict access to guns to teenagers. (The NRA wants these moves reversed)

According to “Evidence to the Cullen Inquiry 1996”, Thomas Gabor, Professor of Criminology at the University of Ottawa wrote “Homicide rates tend to be related to firearm ownership levels. Everything else being equal, a reduction in the percentage of households owning firearms should occasion a drop in the homicide rate”

Just look at the comparison of the US with other major nations. The US has the weakest gun control laws.

Gun Deaths – International Comparisons
Gun deaths per 100,000 population (for the year indicated):

 

Homicide

Suicide

Other (inc Accident)

 

 

 

 

USA (2001)

3.98

5.92

0.36

Italy (1997)

0.81

1.1

0.07

Switzerland (1998)

0.50

5.8

0.10

Canada (2002)

0.4

2.0

0.04

Finland (2003)

0.35

4.45

0.10

Australia (2001)

0.24

1.34

0.10

France (2001)

0.21

3.4

0.49

England/Wales (2002)

0.15

0.2

0.03

Scotland (2002)

0.06

0.2

0.02

Japan (2002)

0.02

0.04

0

       

Data taken from Cukier and Sidel (2006) The Global Gun Epidemic. Praeger Security International. Westport.

And here is what the CDC has reported about shooting deaths of children:

In the 1994 World Development Report, 208 nations were classified by gross national product; from that list, the United States and all 26 of the other countries in the high-income group and with populations of greater than or equal to 1 million were selected because of their economic comparability and the likelihood that those countries maintained vital records most accurately. In January and February 1996, the ministry of health or the national statistics institute in each of the 26 countries were asked to provide denominator data and counts by sex and by 5-year age groups for the most recent year data were available for the number of suicides (International Classification of Diseases, Ninth Revision {ICD-9}, codes E950.0-E959), homicides (E960.0-E969), suicides by firearm (E955.0-E955.4), homicides by firearm (E965.0-E965.4), unintentional deaths caused by firearm (E922.0-E922.9), and firearm-related deaths for which intention was undetermined (E985.0-E985.4); 26 (96%) countries, including the United States, provided complete data .

Twenty (77%) countries provided data for 1993 or 1994; the remaining countries provided data for 1990, 1991, 1992, or 1995. Cause-specific rates per 100,000 population were calculated for three groups (children aged 0-4 years, 5-14 years, and 0-14 years). The rates for homicide and suicide by means other than firearms were calculated by subtracting the firearm-related homicide and firearm-related suicide rates from the overall homicide and suicide rates. Rates for the United States were compared with rates based on pooled data for the other 25 countries. Of the 161 million children aged less than 15 years during the 1 year for which data were provided, 57 million (35%) were in the United States and 104 million (65%) were in the other 25 countries.

Overall, the data provided by the 26 countries included a total of 2872 deaths among children aged less than 15 years for a period of 1 year. Homicides accounted for 1995 deaths, including 1177 (59%) in boys and 818 (41%) in girls. Of the homicides, 1464 (73%) occurred among U.S. children. The homicide rate for children in the United States was five times higher than that for children in the other 25 countries combined (2.57 per 100,000 compared with 0.51).

Suicide accounted for the deaths of 599 children, including 431 (72%) in boys and 168 (28%) in girls. Of the suicides, 321 (54%) occurred among U.S. children. The suicide rate for children in the United States was two times higher than that in the other 25 countries combined (0.55 compared with 0.27) .

No suicides were reported among children aged less than 5 years. A firearm was reported to have been involved in the deaths of 1107 children; 957 (86%) of those occurred in the United States.

Secretary of State Clinton recently and accurately spoke about the guns that the Mexican drug cartels have in their civil war against the Mexican government – they come from the USA!

What more evidence does the NRA need? Their rhetoric and propaganda is shamefully irresponsible. I’m not a hunter or a sports shooter and I don’t understand the thrill- but I am not about to say people shouldn’t have the ability to possess guns for sport. But gun control is critical. Why on earth would the NRA fight tooth and nail against gun control? They are irresponsible and they are ultimately accountable for the gun deaths in the United States.

The Second Amendment to the Constitution reads- A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. 

The Second Amendment’s grammar is known to grammarians as an ablative absolute.  This means that  the Second Amendment has been considered formed with an opening justification clause, followed by a declarative clause.  In other words the opening phrase is considered essential as a pre-condition for the main clause.  This was a grammar structure that was common during that era and is consistent with the concept of the Second Amendment as protecting a collective right to firearms for members serving in a select militia ONLY- not the individual. 

One only needs to look at the timeline of the original debate about the Second Amendment by the framers to understand that the intent was the collective right- not the individual right.

The original text of what became the Second Amendment, as brought to the floor of the House of Representatives of the first session of the First Congress was:

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country; but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.

The Bill of Rights introduced by Madison on June 8. 1789 was not composed of numbered amendments intended to be added at the end of the Constitution. Instead, the Bill of Rights was to be inserted into the existing Constitution. The sentence that became the Second Amendment was to be inserted in Article I, Section 9, between Clauses 3 and 4, which list individual rights, instead of Article I, Section 8, Clauses 15 and 16, which specify the Congress’s power over the state militias. 

Debate in the House on the remainder of June 8 focused again on whether a Bill of Rights was appropriate, and the matter was held for a later time. On July 21, Madison raised the issue of his Bill and proposed a select committee be created to report on it. The House voted in favor of Madison’s motion, and the Bill of Rights entered committee for review. No official records were kept of the committee’s proceedings, but the committee returned to the House a reworded version of the Second Amendment on July 28.

On August 17, that version was read into the Journal:

A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; but no person religiously scrupulous shall be compelled to bear arms.

The Second Amendment was debated and modified during sessions of the House on August 17 and August 20.These debates revolved primarily around risk of “mal-administration of the government” using the “religiously scrupulous” clause to destroy the militia as Great Britain had attempted to destroy the militia at the commencement of the American Revolution. These concerns were addressed by modifying the final clause, and on August 24, the House sent the following version to the U.S. Senate:

A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; but no one religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.

The next day, August 25, the Senate received the Amendment from the House and entered it into the Senate Journal. When the Amendment was transcribed, the semicolon in the religious exemption portion was changed to a comma by the Senate scribe:

A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed, but no one religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.

On September 4, the Senate voted to change the language of the Second Amendment by removing the definition of militia, and striking the conscientious objector clause:

A well regulated militia, being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

The Senate returned to this Amendment for a final time on September 9. A proposal to insert the words “For the common defence” next to the words “Bear Arms” was defeated.  The Senate then slightly modified the language and voted to return the Bill of Rights to the House. The final version passed by the Senate was:

A well regulated militia being the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The House voted on September 21, 1789 to accept the changes made by the Senate, but the Amendment as finally entered into the House journal contained the additional words “necessary to”:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

This version was transmitted to the states for ratification and is without a doubt an ablative absolute both due to the grammar of the time but this can be garnered by the debate surrounding the amendment.

Many of my liberal friends are focused on our governments appalling breach of international law and eviscerating the Geneva Convention. We should be angry about what Bush and Company did- they are war crimes. But what about the NRA? They are responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Americans and are arming drug cartels in Mexico with American guns in what amounts to a civil war that is spilling over the border into our country

It is time for Congress and the Obama administration to say “NO MORE!” and send the NRA lobbyists packing- and I don’t mean packing heat! 

The NRA is nothing but a domestic terrorist organization and they must be stopped – once and for all!


Responses

  1. If you are going to kill yourself and take down as many people as possible with you, would you try and do it at a Gun Show or an NRA convention? No, you go to a place where you know the people won’t be able to fight back.

  2. The Statistics shown above are misleading due to the U.S’s larger population then the other countries shown in the study…. DUHHHHHHH

  3. Gee – you really are an idiot-there is a reason that statistics are given as per 100,000. Maybe a simple course in high school statistics might have been in order. Thomas Paine would be offedned using the title of his treartise to make such stupid comments

  4. the other countries that don’t allow fire arms still have violent crimes the way england is going they are going to outlaw pointy sticks liberals are all the same they think if someone is a threat to society that all someone has to do is give them a hug and every thing will be allright you are so naive that you should not be allowed out of a padded room you might hurt yourselves you need to grow up and see the world for what it is a very dangerous place you can sit there and cower thats your choice as for me i prefer to protect my self and all those crimes you mentioned above were commited by cowards who went to places where they could find liberals because they are unarmed and very easy targets i really doubt if any of those criminals were members of the nra so if you grow up and decide to take care of your self instead of having someone else do it you’ll see things differently

  5. First of all MOST of the gun deaths in all countries on your list are from suicides. I think those deaths are likely to continue without better health care and without better education. Which brings me to my second point, the US isn’t even in the top 25 in math, reading or science and all of the other countries on your list are. Education makes people safer in general, if you look at all of the statistics (not just guns). The three cities that you list as having the highest gun death rates are also the cities with the lowest levels of concealed carry permits. And schools are always exempt from concealed carry under federal law. I don’t agree with the NRA’s stand on most issues. I think gun owners should be trained and licensed AND held responsible for their actions. When the Bill of Rights was drafted there was also an assumption that each household would be responsible for its own security AND would come to the aid of their neighbors. If someone yelled “Stop, Thief” on the street of Philadelphia in 1789 you would be considered complicit in the crime if you did not assist the victim. Sadly, the same thing is not true today. If you want to talk about the what the Founding Fathers had in mind how about this from George Washington, “The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.” Statistics show he was right on that, by the way. You fail to mention that CDC’s statistics also show that since concealed carry has become more common place gun deaths per thousand have dropped. I would rather live in a world of safe, educated gun owners than in a world that is disarmed. I am working to foster and promote education and responsibility in all things – guns, drugs and blogging.

  6. Interesting that you mention health care and we have the lowest standard of health care than most Western democracies.

  7. Agreed. Health care could be our biggest problem for adults, but education is the biggest problem for the young. Both of them need to be far better.

  8. Well we at least agree on two things- health and education. But I still don’t think a society of armed people is a society in which I want to live.

  9. When are people going to realize GUNS do not committ crime or KILL people… they are merely tools like andthing else (screwdrivers). It is the people that use them in ways unintended that cause death…. Stupidity reeks here…

  10. Then why would ANY ONE need an automatic assault rifle? Yes stuipidty reeks here- it’s your “bumper sticker” argument. No thoughtful position can be summed up in an 8 word bumper sticker. Maybe you should read a book.

    • To stand a chance against government machine guns silly

  11. “But I still don’t think a society of armed people is a society in which I want to live.”

    Then move someplace where the gov’t will take away all of your deciison making ability and leave you defensless to all their idiotic whims. Move someplace where you can live like the slave you desire us all to become.

  12. It sounds like you are a slave to some pretty stupid ideas… plus I would probably take you more seriously if you learned how to spell.

  13. I suppose I am a slave to certain ideas. Individual responsibility, limited government, the constitution the way the founding fathers intended, low taxes (not just on my income), responsible and accountable government and freedom from interference in my day to day life. Damn glad to be a slave to those ideas.

    If picking on a typo is your best defense, you’d better pack it up now.

    Gun control is not about safety, its about power. If the current admin wants to keep up with their agenda, they will need to attack and limit the response of those who would oppose their bankrupt, high taxation, apologist approach to governing.

    HR 2159 is yet another piece of evidence that our freedom to bear arms is under attack for power and control reasons.

    “Gun Owner Blacklist Bill Introduced in U.S. House

    On April 29, U.S. Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.), the ranking Republican on the House Homeland Security Committee, who calls himself “a strong supporter of the war against international terrorism, both at home and abroad,” introduced H.R. 2159, calling it the “Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009.”

    Given the bill’s title, one might think that it’s intended to affect terrorists. However, King and the bill’s co-sponsors—Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), Mike Castle (R-Del.), Jim Moran (D-Va.), Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.), Mark Kirk (D-Ill.), and Chris Smith (R-N.J.)—are extreme gun control supporters. Rather than being aimed at terrorists, H.R. 2159 is intended to give the executive branch arbitrary, unaccountable power to stop loyal Americans from acquiring firearms. Here’s how:

    H.R. 2159 would give the attorney general “the authority to deny the sale, delivery, or transfer of a firearm or the issuance of a firearms or explosives license or permit to dangerous terrorists. . . . if the Attorney General determines that the transferee is known (or appropriately suspected) to be or have been engaged in conduct constituting, in preparation for, in aid of, or related to terrorism, or providing material support thereof, and the Attorney General has a reasonable belief that the prospective transferee may use a firearm in connection with terrorism.”

    H.R. 2159 would not, however, impose requirements or limits on the kind of information an attorney general could use to make such a determination, nor establish a standard for “appropriate suspicion.” It instead proposes that “any information which the Attorney General relied on for this determination may be withheld from the applicant if the Attorney General determines that disclosure of the information would likely compromise national security.”
    The scheme that H.R. 2159 proposes is unprecedented. Since 1968, federal law has established guidelines for all categories of persons prohibited from receiving and possessing firearms, and since 1994 has expressly protected a prohibited person’s right to be told why he is prohibited. H.R. 2159 would establish no such standards, would provide no such protection, and would allow an attorney general to deny gun purchases based upon secret information, or no information whatsoever.

    H.R. 2159’s potential for abuse should be apparent. A recent Department of Justice report1 states that the FBI’s terrorist watchlist doesn’t include certain known terrorists, yet includes people who are not terrorists, the latter an on-going problem widely reported upon by the media and the American Civil Liberties Union.2 Even Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.), perhaps the most widely recognized member of Congress, was placed on the list several years ago. Also, H.R. 2159 follows a disturbing Department of Homeland Security report characterizing gun owners and military veterans as “rightwing extremists,”3 and Attorney General Eric Holder’s statements advocating new gun prohibitions and other restrictions.

    H.R. 2159 isn’t about making America safe from terrorists; it’s about giving the federal government new, arbitrary authority to prohibit loyal Americans from exercising their constitutionally-protected right to keep and bear arms. Cloaking it in terms of “national security” doesn’t change that fact. “

  14. Maybe if a relative of yours had died from gun violence like I have had- and my relative was a police officer who was not on duty, you might rethink your absurd comments.

    You live in a world of conspiracies…. that must be a terribly uncomfortable place to be

    • Not as uncomfortable as FEMA camps will be 🙂

      Who shot your friend? A terrorist? Doubtful..
      People are bound to die, cigarettes kill, cars kill, alcohol kills, pharmaceutical drugs kill. Getting rid of firearms only sets us up for a greater danger… Federal enslavement.
      And take a serious look at the ‘conspiracy theories’ before you dismiss them, the patriots preaching them care more about YOU and me than Big Brother ever has/would.

  15. Mr. Allgaier,
    This is truly a wonderful country, even someone like you who lacking knowledge of history can have a voice.
    If you had taken a history course you would have learned that every country that has taken individual right to arms away progressed to liberty. From your tone you’re not concerned about your liberty, which is another great thing about this country; patriots shed their blood so you may give voice to your ideas.
    One thing you might consider, the Brady campaign numbers your spouting are incorrect, however I am quite certain that facts do not trouble you, you like controversy. I may not like your opinion, in fact your words are offensive to every Patriot in this great country, I will in fact fight to death your right to express it.

    If you truly do not want to live in a country fought for and won with firearms, a country that remains free only because of it’s firearms then I am very certain that by Monday close of business I can have first class airfare paid for to the country of your choice.

    Consider this, read Thomas Jefferson’s federalists papers, it is abundantly clear, even to someone who has spent to much time at the Brady water coolers that the framers intended the 2nd amendment to apply to the individual as well as the whole.

  16. HR 2159 a consipracy??? Check your facts. That can be found in the Library of Congress.

    I am truly sorry to hear of your loss. When did this happen?

    I am a slave to another belief. I believe there are evil people in the world and that only when an outraged, good, responsible, empowered person stands in the face of that evil will it be addressed and hopefully eliminated. I believe in giving every one the tools they need to defeat the evil by any and all means necessary.

  17. Dear Mr. Prawdzik,

    I probably have come across a history class or two in my college years at Cornell or my graduate student days at Harvard. But that really isn’t the point.

    If you read this blog piece carefully and with some thought you will notice my thesis is based on the deliberate grammar used in the Second Amendment as well as the history of the amendment’s debate in the Senate. Clearly I have some concept of history.

    I certainly am thankful that our nation’s military has fought and shed blood so you and I have the blessings of freedom. That is why I believe a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State should always be part of our nation.

  18. Dear David,

    Thank you for your condolences. The incident happened nearly 20 years ago.

    What I meant by the conspiracy comment was that it often seems that there are some people who seem to always assume that government is out to take away rights. I just don’t believe that.

    I admit I haven’t read the bill, but I can easily find it on Thomas.gov. I have been spending most of my time recently consumed with work on healthcare reform. My expertise is public health policy. But I promise to look at sometime soon.

    I will leave you with one thought. Terrorists can be home grown- please remember Oklahoma City.

  19. However, there is no clear definition of terrorist, terrorist act, or terrorism. The governemnt has used the word to define any class of people they deem innappropriate. (see the homeland security report that Napolitano was forced to apologize for but never retracted) Back to the power comment from earlier. Gun control is about power and control not about safety or public interest.

    If your argument about the amendment is correct then you must apply the term “people” to all the amendments equally. If you do that, you will be living in a very different land than we know now.

    Limited government in our day to day lives and especially in our wallets is the only path to increasing freedom and expanding opportunity to everyone. Everytime the gov’t expands their power or appoints another Czar we move closer to a repeat of Russia’s history and the example they provide cost millions of lives.

    • Over 40 million dead in Russia.
      Well over 60 million dead in China, WITH organ harvesting for government dissenters!
      Its so crazy that people are eating up all this terrorism bullsh*t, the only terrorists I know work for the government.

  20. Obviously those advocating unrestrictted gun possossion have small penis’ to match their small IQ’s. Get real, people. You don’t need a gun. Guns are for waek minded sissies.

  21. I hope the folks reading this article are intelligent enough to know that murder will always occur, guns or not.
    But once guns are gone, how will we defend ourselves from government?
    Many of us don’t get a say in Washington, and many of our Congressmen are sold our to corporations.
    Look at NAIS, they want all farms to tag their animals for industry data. The truth is, the expensive tagging process is aimed at bankrupting family farms, and protecting large corporate farms with tax cuts.
    IF OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS CAN’T PROTECT OUR LIFE, LIBERTIES, AND HAPPINESS, THEN OUR GUNS WILL.

    keep fighting the good fight brothers&sisters

  22. Mr Rah’Sin
    I’m pleased to read your eloquent, rational response. It seems all too tragically rare in through here. I’ve spent several decades “defending” this nation. Part of my professional experience involves law enforcement. The brief, inane ramblings of Mr. Johnson only serve to underscore my concern for this nation.
    Guns don’t cause crime, just as automobiles don’t cause drunk driving. Sociological realities, something the liberal elites have been struggling to reengineer for decades cause crimes. Tragically, these realities are only occasionally effected by laws and reason. The harder the liberal elite try, struggling to teach our children how to get along in school (as opposed to teaching history) the worse things become for us.
    In light of this reality, I’ll be doing everything I can to defeat those who support H.R. 45. In this proposed piece of legislation, EVERY center fire cartridge “that could be used to defeat armor” would be outlawed. This piece of ridiculously broad legislation (purposely written for the widest interpretation) would render the vast majority of fire arms instantly illegal. Eric Holder firmly supports this resolution, as does the President and many others.
    Many others in Congress support this legislation. Of course, the fact that our media is in bed with an administration that is actively trying to turn the US into Sweden should make the proposal of such legislation much more predictable, and understandable.
    Most disturbing of all of this is the fact that when one looks to regions like Northern Ireland (or even Manchester) we see that the numerous, potent gun control laws have had almost no effect on disarming criminals. English cops were referring to Manchester as “Gunchester” in the years immediately following the banning of hand guns in England due to it’s being a center for this new, illicit trade.
    Mr. Johnson, how’s the banning of illicit narcotics worked for us?
    How did prohibition work out?
    Like most of the liberals I suffer, you demonstrate a near complete inability to address facts in context. That and a desire to attempt to forcibly impress your will on others while making silly comments on the side.
    As a former law enforcement officer (and now a Field grade officer in our military) I welcome an armed citizenry. Perpetrators are considered armed and dangerous as a matter of course. Your fantasy world where criminals aren’t armed / can’t get arms is just that.
    People with such a spacious view of the world scare me. When large numbers of you vote we end up where we are now. To a point, making it illegal for gun owners in Australia to defend themselves with their remaining fire arms has NOT brought about a drop in gun crime. A big dose of reality based research will show you that the only people who will be inconvenienced by draconian gun control laws are the people who respect the law to begin with.

    • My Hero. Haha

  23. Interesting article to read, but I think you did your article an injustice by the title. Granted, it’s your article and you can do what you please with it.

    I just feel it didn’t fully convey your intent. You threw around statistics, an opinion of Clinton about arming the Mexican drug cartels, write a paragraph about your opinion being an NRA being a terrorist organization and you’re done.

    To me, your article didn’t really have any substance relating to your intent & left me confused on why I decided to read it.

    If I were you, I would write about how the NRA was created, the history of NRA members being sympathizers committing terrorist acts, quotes of other groups (like Hell’s Angels) saying outrageous things and being NRA members, and NRA funding connected to possible terrorist organizations. I would then point out the connections.

    Just my two cents, and hope this would help.

  24. Oh, and for curious about my background…

    I’m currently working for the U.S. Military doing armed security, and an NRA certified instructor. I’m not an NRA member.

    • Samuel,
      Last time I checked, you cannot be a “Certified NRA Instructor” without belonging to the NRA. I am guessing your credentials are as suspect as your statements.
      The NRA has NEVER affiliated with any anti American group, that is just liberal hyperbole.

      • You actually check, and when was the last time you checked? Because you can be a certified instructor without being a member. You’re probably thinking of the NRA Training Counselors who certify the instructors. NRA Training Counselors must be a member of the NRA. When I was certified, about ten months ago, it was like that.

        I NEVER said the NRA is a terrorist organization. I said if I were to write an article stating the NRA is a terrorist group you should provide ties to such allegations if you’re going to have such a title. Trying to prove the NRA has terrorist ties would be difficult at best.

  25. Samuel,

    I appreciate your thoughts. By in large my expertise is on healthcare issues, but when another issue finds its way into my brain and rattles around, I want to research it so I know more about the subject and I blog my research. I admit that the title is a little hyperbolic, but at the time it was written- it seemed more appropriate than it might in retrospect.

  26. Randy,

    I know this is a few days past your last post, but I wanted to add a few things. I want to let you know, I’m not trying to come off as rude.

    What is your experience with firearm usage? If you don’t have that much experience, and you’re ever in Oregon I would be more than willing to let you come to any class of mine for free.

    Some classes I teach don’t require you touch a firearm or ammunition. Other classes I teach are NRA based curriculum, and some are based on my own curriculum. Just let me know. I’ve taught several people from all walks of life.

    Also, from reading your background on your about page I have some questions.

    Have you ever heard of the organization Pink Pistols (http://www.pinkpistols.org)? They have several chapters in California. What do you think of this organization? Until one of my former students emailed me about them, I had no idea.

    Also, as someone living with AIDS how, hypothetically, how would shooting affect your health? More specifically, increased lead & metal levels in your blood system?

    I thought I would ask since I have an unique opportunity. Maybe I could pass some information along down the road to my students if asked.

    Also, maybe it might make a good future article?

    Thanks!!!

  27. What is terrorism? Terrosim is FEAR, plain and simple. It is created by your government via the media (TV etc) to control you, to make you want to empower the government at the expense of your own freedoms.

    Freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength. Through ignorance you can empower your governemnt to strip you of all your civil liberties- your rights to free speach, privacy, to read the books you want, to assemble and protest where you want, to own firearms, etc, and for what? Peace? Safety? This is not a new process, governments have been doing it throughout history.

    The NRA is not soft on “terrorism”, they are soft on the american public. How is this so? The american public ARE the terrorists- just about any of you can and could be added to this “list” for a wide range of reasons. One can not give the government the right to add anyone they want to a list for any reason, and then also give them the right to take away civil liberties to persons on this list. It would make the US a non-free country.

  28. I am thoroughly convinced that if the Founding Fathers could see the unintended and altogether monstrous consequences of the Second Amendment in modern America they would move to immediately repeal it — to a man.

    The NRA is one of the most pernicious organizations in American history. The tens of thousands of annual gun-deaths in this country are largely due to the absurdly easy access to firearms that these scoundrels have enabled. Like most things in politics and history, follow the money. The gun industry is big business. Behind the NRA’s red-white-and-blue propaganda is a single color: green.

    • Perhaps the founding fathers should also see the excessive taxation we face due to mismanagement of the government. Perhaps they should see all the hand out programs that we ahve created and are no longer able to fund without facing inflation beyond modern comprehension. Perhaps they would see all the people who have saved lives using firearms against aggressors that have no regard for life. Demonize if you will but tools of every kind are misused every day. Personal responsibility cannot be legislated. Its is your right to carry or not carry. Your right to shoot or not shoot. Your right to defend yourself using every tool available in the face of aggressors who value your life for whatever is under your skirt or in your pocket. No one says you have to exercise that right. No one but you can decide if you should survive and the attacker should bleed.

  29. I don’t know why anyone bothers to argue with liberals. The NRA protects the rights of honest citizens. No one is stating that convicted felons should be allowed to own guns.

    Further, it was your precious obama that put plenty of guns in the hands of the mexican cartels. The liberals will only be happy when all Americans are forced to live in a socialist utopia, like Greece. Wait, how is that working out for Greece? Maybe the UK, hmmm… No.

    Well I’m sure that people like Mr. Allgaier and his bleeding heart liberal cronies have a plan for all of us who believe that personal freedom includes the freedom to defend myself from criminals and an overly oppressive government.

  30. You showed the gun death rate in Switzerland… Did you know that the entire male population is a militia? Did you know they are required to keep their service rifles from their military training? Did you know they are fully automatic? You know for someone who supports a well-regulated militia, a local military run by the people, you sound awfully anti-gun… Then again, that’s what this article is about, is it not? I’m seeing a lot of contradiction going on here. By the way, I just want you to know this is coming from a 16 year old.

  31. […] by Republican politicians, hate-radio, hate-TV (Fox) and the NRA(Essentially a Domestic Terrorist Group) — millions of ill educated, one track minded psychopaths are roaming the United States to […]

  32. […] The guns will take care of themselves. Is the NRA a Domestic Terrorist Group? Look at the facts. .https://alligatorreport.wordpress.com…-at-the-facts/ . Here is what the CDC has reported about shooting deaths of […]


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