Posted by: Randy Allgaier | October 27, 2008

Vote NO on California Proposition 8

California Proposition 8 is an affront to freedom, equality and our constitution. Prop 8 would change the California Constitution to eliminate right of same-sex couples to marry. Never in the history of the Great State of California has discrimination been written into the Constitution. Expanding rights is what amending the Constitution should be about- not adding discrimination which is not only an anathema to the concept of a document meant to protect our rights but is a perverted look at freedom.

I’ll acknowledge my interest in seeing Prop 8 defeated. I am gay and my partner and I of 20 years married on September 26th. I don’t know how my marriage threatens anyone else’s marriage or how society will come tumbling down. I AM gay it wasn’t a choice- that is WHO I AM. You can’t make someone gay by giving rights to gay people, but you can provide fairness. But it is not about me it is about fundamental fairness and not giving any constitutional standing to discrimination.

According to the LAO there is also a negative fiscal impact. Over the next few years, potential revenue loss, mainly sales taxes- totaling in the several tens of millions of dollars, to state and local governments. While fiscal impact is interesting and might make the difference to some folks, the issue is about fairness.
We are talking about civil marriage, not a religious marriage. Heterosexual couples throughout the nation get married outside the walls or a church, mosque or synagogue. We are talking about civil law, not religion. By mixing religious arguments with a civil issue is in fact a violation of the separation of church and state.

In fact, our nation was founded on the principle that all people should be treated equally. EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW IS THE FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN SOCIETY.

That’s what this election is about – equality, freedom and fairness, for all.

There are a lot of lies being told through ads by the proponents of Prop 8. Here’s the truth:

Fiction: Prop 8 doesn’t discriminate against gays.
• Fact: Prop 8 is simple: it eliminates the rights for same-sex couples to marry. Prop 8 would deny equal protections and write discrimination against one group of people—lesbian and gay people—into our state constitution.

Fiction: Teaching children about same-sex marriage will happen here unless we pass Prop 8.
• Fact: Not one word in Prop 8 mentions education, and no child can be forced, against the will of their parents, to be taught anything about health and family issues at school. California law prohibits it, and the Yes on 8 campaign knows they are lying. Sacramento Superior Court Judge Timothy Frawley has already ruled that this claim by Prop 8 proponents is “false and misleading.” The Orange County Register, traditionally one of the most conservative newspapers in the state, says this claim is false. So do lawyers for the California Department of Education.

Fiction: Churches could lose their tax-exemption status.
• Fact: Nothing in Prop 8 would force churches to do anything. In fact, the court decision regarding marriage specifically says “no religion will be required to change its religious policies or practices with regard to same-sex couples, and no religious officiant will be required to solemnize a marriage in contravention of his or her religious beliefs.”

Fiction: A Massachusetts case about a parent’s objection to the school curriculum will happen here.
• Fact: Unlike Massachusetts, California gives parents an absolute right to remove their kids and opt-out of teaching on health and family instruction they don’t agree with. The opponents know that California law already covers this and Prop 8 won’t affect it, so they bring up an irrelevant case in Massachusetts.

Fiction: Four Activist Judges in San Francisco…
• Fact: Prop 8 is not about courts and judges, it’s about eliminating a fundamental right. Judges didn’t grant the right, the constitution guarantees the right. Proponents of Prop 8 use an outdated and stale argument that judges aren’t supposed to protect rights and freedoms. This campaign is about whether Californians, right now, in 2008 are willing to amend the constitution for the sole purpose of eliminating a fundamental right for one group of citizens.

Fiction: People can be sued over personal beliefs.
• Fact: California’s laws already prohibit discrimination against anyone based on race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation. This has nothing to do with marriage.

Fiction: Pepperdine University supports the Yes on 8 campaign.
• Fact: The university has publicly disassociated itself from Professor Richard Peterson of Pepperdine University, who is featured in the ad, and has asked to not be identified in the Yes on 8 advertisements.
Fiction: Unless Prop 8 passes, CA parents won’t have the right to object to what their children are taught in school.

• Fact: California law clearly gives parents and guardians broad authority to remove their children from any health instruction if it conflicts with their religious beliefs or moral convictions.

But if you don’t believe me- listen to mothers, parents and educators. VOTE FOR FAIRNESS!


  1. Not convinced. Prop. 22, with the same wording, was the will of the CA people, passed by over 60%. A court threw it out to protect an newly-invented protected class, requiring strict scrutiny be applied to the law. Thus ironically one of the bases of the court’s decision was that there is no meaningful difference between civil unions and marriage. The point is that never in history has marriage been defined to include anything other than men and women. To say, in the name of “love,” that such a fundamental institution / assumption be changed, runs risks that I’m not ready to run. Education will be changed. Tax rights may well be lost. Other unforeseen challenges to “marriage” may also arise. It’s incumbent on the people promoting the change to show that the change is merited and will not have ill effects. Until then, have civil unions. But calling that union “marriage,” with all its implications throughout society, seems to be a significant risk, and I’m not willing to trust the Superintendant of Schools or the Orange County Register to tell me they know the future on this one.

  2. You are welcome to your opinion- but quite frankly I will disagree. Why my 20 year relationship with another man should be viewed differently than a marriage between a man and a woman is absurd; especially since half of all “straight” marriages end in a divorce. I guess divorce is less of a risk to the family than same sex marriage? ABSURD! Marriage is a civil issue not a religious one. I also find it ironic that back in the 1980’s when there was nothing for gay couples- no domestic partnership, no civil unions- many gay couples had their unions blessed in churches. Ironic isn’t it.

  3. The most dishonest video against proposition 8 is here.

    Help crush it.

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